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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/02/19/thicket-encounters/#comment-1227</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to concur with Savage30L that Karla Turner's books are excellent. It hurt me to read Strieber's books, watching as he developed a severe case of Stockholm syndrome. 

Jason and Nick nailed it, I think: "I see nothing positive in this at all, and suspect a major plan of deception at work to lure us into a false sense of security. ... and the possibility that these things are Tulpa style entities that thrive on intense emotion."

Again, Turner's books (especially her first) are some of the best to demonstrate this, IMO. I also here the new books on Fatima (Heavenly Lights and Celestial Secrets) make a pretty good case for the "religious manipulation" angle Jason mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to concur with Savage30L that Karla Turner&#8217;s books are excellent. It hurt me to read Strieber&#8217;s books, watching as he developed a severe case of Stockholm syndrome. </p>
<p>Jason and Nick nailed it, I think: &#8220;I see nothing positive in this at all, and suspect a major plan of deception at work to lure us into a false sense of security. &#8230; and the possibility that these things are Tulpa style entities that thrive on intense emotion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, Turner&#8217;s books (especially her first) are some of the best to demonstrate this, IMO. I also here the new books on Fatima (Heavenly Lights and Celestial Secrets) make a pretty good case for the &#8220;religious manipulation&#8221; angle Jason mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan

The scenario you describe sounds very much like Jenny Randles' "Oz Factor" term re. the world grinding to a halt, and the absence of sound, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan</p>
<p>The scenario you describe sounds very much like Jenny Randles&#8217; &#8220;Oz Factor&#8221; term re. the world grinding to a halt, and the absence of sound, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason

I am in full agreement with you re the deception angle of abductions - I see nothing positive in this at all, and suspect a major plan of deception at work to lure us into a false sense of security.

I think you're right: the end-of-the-world scenarios that abductees see is likely linked with fear - and the possibility that these things are Tulpa style entities that thrive on intense emotion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason</p>
<p>I am in full agreement with you re the deception angle of abductions - I see nothing positive in this at all, and suspect a major plan of deception at work to lure us into a false sense of security.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right: the end-of-the-world scenarios that abductees see is likely linked with fear - and the possibility that these things are Tulpa style entities that thrive on intense emotion.</p>
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		<title>By: Savage30L</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/02/19/thicket-encounters/#comment-1220</link>
		<dc:creator>Savage30L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of you who have not yet read Karla Turner's "Taken", should do so.  I think it sheds more light on the UFO phenomenon than anything else I have read, including Whitley Strieber's books.  It's available free (in .pdf format) &lt;a title="here" href="http://www.karlaturner.org/Karla%20Turner%20-%20Taken%20-%20ocr.pdf"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of you who have not yet read Karla Turner&#8217;s &#8220;Taken&#8221;, should do so.  I think it sheds more light on the UFO phenomenon than anything else I have read, including Whitley Strieber&#8217;s books.  It&#8217;s available free (in .pdf format) <a title="here" href="http://www.karlaturner.org/Karla%20Turner%20-%20Taken%20-%20ocr.pdf">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: alanborky</title>
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		<dc:creator>alanborky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, all those references to 'roaring' certainly chime with many of my own experiences, particularly those of mine where the whole world - except for me - seems to suddenly slow down to a dead stop.

In my case, though, the 'roaring' presages my hearing being 'turned off': in the examples where the world has ground to a halt, that kind of makes sense, because if nothing's moving, then nothing can make any sounds; in other instances, though, where whatever 'world' it is I'm looking at is clearly moving, the absence of sound becomes less explicable.

This 'Big Thicket' business, though, is extremely interesting, not only because it brings to mind Kirk's 'Secret Commonwealth', as well as all those fairy tales set in eldritch woods but also because it reminds me of Frazer's 'Golden Bough', a great deal of which covers 'sacred groves' acting as 'natural temples', i.e., portals where the 'gods' can be accessed or even interacted with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, all those references to &#8216;roaring&#8217; certainly chime with many of my own experiences, particularly those of mine where the whole world - except for me - seems to suddenly slow down to a dead stop.</p>
<p>In my case, though, the &#8216;roaring&#8217; presages my hearing being &#8216;turned off&#8217;: in the examples where the world has ground to a halt, that kind of makes sense, because if nothing&#8217;s moving, then nothing can make any sounds; in other instances, though, where whatever &#8216;world&#8217; it is I&#8217;m looking at is clearly moving, the absence of sound becomes less explicable.</p>
<p>This &#8216;Big Thicket&#8217; business, though, is extremely interesting, not only because it brings to mind Kirk&#8217;s &#8216;Secret Commonwealth&#8217;, as well as all those fairy tales set in eldritch woods but also because it reminds me of Frazer&#8217;s &#8216;Golden Bough&#8217;, a great deal of which covers &#8217;sacred groves&#8217; acting as &#8216;natural temples&#8217;, i.e., portals where the &#8216;gods&#8217; can be accessed or even interacted with.</p>
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		<title>By: BoyintheMachine</title>
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		<dc:creator>BoyintheMachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone considered that the 'apocalyptic' visions presented to abductees and/or UFO witnesses is merely a form of mental exam or even mind control.  It seems to me that our visitors are attempting to understand the human psyche.  The fact that 'apocalyptic' scenarios abound could mean that they are very interested in the human concept of fear.  On the other hand it could mean that they are attempting to use our religious beliefs against us.  For example, an invasion disguised as 'The Second Coming' would fool many a Christian.

(FYI:  I hope the individual in the blog above realizes that the aliens are extremely deceptive.  If he truly wants to understand what happened to him that night, then I would recommend he assume almost everything he remembers is a lie to cover the truth, and then seek out professional help from an abductee researcher.)

Jason Gammon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone considered that the &#8216;apocalyptic&#8217; visions presented to abductees and/or UFO witnesses is merely a form of mental exam or even mind control.  It seems to me that our visitors are attempting to understand the human psyche.  The fact that &#8216;apocalyptic&#8217; scenarios abound could mean that they are very interested in the human concept of fear.  On the other hand it could mean that they are attempting to use our religious beliefs against us.  For example, an invasion disguised as &#8216;The Second Coming&#8217; would fool many a Christian.</p>
<p>(FYI:  I hope the individual in the blog above realizes that the aliens are extremely deceptive.  If he truly wants to understand what happened to him that night, then I would recommend he assume almost everything he remembers is a lie to cover the truth, and then seek out professional help from an abductee researcher.)</p>
<p>Jason Gammon</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regan

Many thanks; I will link your article to UFOMystic tomorrow, with an introduction for people outlining the basis of my article in UFO Mag that you have commented on in your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regan</p>
<p>Many thanks; I will link your article to UFOMystic tomorrow, with an introduction for people outlining the basis of my article in UFO Mag that you have commented on in your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seein:

Interesting idea. Certainly life-forms and civilizations do begin, flourish and ultimately flame-out one way or another. You're far from being the only one who thinks maybe our time is coming.

Greg:

Thanks for those "buzz-related" stories. Again, something that makes me personally believe that many of the mysteries of this world that seem unconnected have at their source, one "thing" that is manipulating us in some way and via wildly differing guises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seein:</p>
<p>Interesting idea. Certainly life-forms and civilizations do begin, flourish and ultimately flame-out one way or another. You&#8217;re far from being the only one who thinks maybe our time is coming.</p>
<p>Greg:</p>
<p>Thanks for those &#8220;buzz-related&#8221; stories. Again, something that makes me personally believe that many of the mysteries of this world that seem unconnected have at their source, one &#8220;thing&#8221; that is manipulating us in some way and via wildly differing guises.</p>
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		<title>By: reganlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>reganlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

Great stuff, and great article in this issue of UFO Magazine. I wrote something about your views on The OrangeOrb.

http://orangeorb.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>Great stuff, and great article in this issue of UFO Magazine. I wrote something about your views on The OrangeOrb.</p>
<p><a href="http://orangeorb.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://orangeorb.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nick,

"when his ears â€œalmost burstâ€ when a deafening sound not unlike a swarm of bees filled the interior of the car"

With apologies for constantly bringing up the BVM, but...

Fatima: "We would follow the children and kneel in the middle of the field. Lucia would raise her hands and say, 'You bade me come here, what do you wish of me?' And then could be heard a buzzing that seemed to be that of a bee."

Mothman: "â€¦an older woman who said she had encountered Mothman in her backyard. Her property was close to the boundaries of the TNT area and, hearing a buzzing or humming sound coming from the back of her home, she went out to investigate. It was mid-afternoon, and when she opened the back door she found herself face to face with Mothman, hovering about 10 feet in front of her. Her description was detailed, suggesting something more like a machine than an animal. "

Near Croton Falls, New York, it was reported that â€œdwarf-like hooded beingsâ€ emerged from a shimmering circle of blue that appeared in an outcrop of rock â€œfollowing a buzzing sound.â€ In a humanoid entity report from 1975, â€œAngelica Barrigon Varela and co-worker Remedios Diez were on their way to work at a local factory along the wall that divided the railroad tracks and the street when they heard a loud buzzing sound coming from the area of the tracks. Looking in that direction they beheld a bizarre creature floating and balancing itself above the railroad tracks. It appeared to be wearing a monk-like smock or coat, dark green in color that emitted intermediate flashes of light under the light rain.â€

In their book The Unidentified, Jerome Clark and Loren Coleman also say that many contactees have reported a bee-buzzing sound that introduced and ended their encounters. 

I could go on (and on)...
;)

Kind regards,
Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick,</p>
<p>&#8220;when his ears â€œalmost burstâ€ when a deafening sound not unlike a swarm of bees filled the interior of the car&#8221;</p>
<p>With apologies for constantly bringing up the BVM, but&#8230;</p>
<p>Fatima: &#8220;We would follow the children and kneel in the middle of the field. Lucia would raise her hands and say, &#8216;You bade me come here, what do you wish of me?&#8217; And then could be heard a buzzing that seemed to be that of a bee.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mothman: &#8220;â€¦an older woman who said she had encountered Mothman in her backyard. Her property was close to the boundaries of the TNT area and, hearing a buzzing or humming sound coming from the back of her home, she went out to investigate. It was mid-afternoon, and when she opened the back door she found herself face to face with Mothman, hovering about 10 feet in front of her. Her description was detailed, suggesting something more like a machine than an animal. &#8221;</p>
<p>Near Croton Falls, New York, it was reported that â€œdwarf-like hooded beingsâ€ emerged from a shimmering circle of blue that appeared in an outcrop of rock â€œfollowing a buzzing sound.â€ In a humanoid entity report from 1975, â€œAngelica Barrigon Varela and co-worker Remedios Diez were on their way to work at a local factory along the wall that divided the railroad tracks and the street when they heard a loud buzzing sound coming from the area of the tracks. Looking in that direction they beheld a bizarre creature floating and balancing itself above the railroad tracks. It appeared to be wearing a monk-like smock or coat, dark green in color that emitted intermediate flashes of light under the light rain.â€</p>
<p>In their book The Unidentified, Jerome Clark and Loren Coleman also say that many contactees have reported a bee-buzzing sound that introduced and ended their encounters. </p>
<p>I could go on (and on)&#8230;<br />
 <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Greg</p>
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