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		<title>By: whycantugoogle</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/02/02/ufo-whistleblowers/#comment-5246</link>
		<dc:creator>whycantugoogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raven - Right, can you at least learn to google properly? I'm calling BS on your supposed search for the Sears catalogue model. I searched and found her in about 10-15 mins. Her name is Michelle DellaFave and she also appears on the Dean Martin Show as one of the 'Golddiggers' and a 'Dingaling Sister'. We'll never get to the bottom of anything if you can't even be bothered to put a little effort in and do a proper search. Here's a link:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://thegolddiggers.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/golddiggers-railroadcolorad.jpg&#38;imgrefurl=http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/striking-gold/&#38;h=1466&#38;w=1120&#38;sz=415&#38;hl=en&#38;start=1&#38;um=1&#38;tbnid=5D0t6sA39Vf9tM:&#38;tbnh=150&#38;tbnw=115&#38;prev=/images%3Fq%3DGolddiggers%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raven - Right, can you at least learn to google properly? I&#8217;m calling BS on your supposed search for the Sears catalogue model. I searched and found her in about 10-15 mins. Her name is Michelle DellaFave and she also appears on the Dean Martin Show as one of the &#8216;Golddiggers&#8217; and a &#8216;Dingaling Sister&#8217;. We&#8217;ll never get to the bottom of anything if you can&#8217;t even be bothered to put a little effort in and do a proper search. Here&#8217;s a link:</p>
<p><a href="http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://thegolddiggers.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/golddiggers-railroadcolorad.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/striking-gold/&amp;h=1466&amp;w=1120&amp;sz=415&amp;hl=en&amp;start=1&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=5D0t6sA39Vf9tM:&amp;tbnh=150&amp;tbnw=115&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3DGolddiggers%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff" rel="nofollow">http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://thegolddiggers.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/golddiggers-railroadcolorad.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/striking-gold/&amp;h=1466&amp;w=1120&amp;sz=415&amp;hl=en&amp;start=1&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=5D0t6sA39Vf9tM:&amp;tbnh=150&amp;tbnw=115&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3DGolddiggers%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff</a></p>
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		<title>By: reganlee</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/02/02/ufo-whistleblowers/#comment-1000</link>
		<dc:creator>reganlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 00:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points Nick. I agree with Daniel; that &lt;i&gt;"Well, we are fools to buy anything from a source that canâ€™t be verified."&lt;/i&gt; except that I'd go further; even then, with so-called "verification" how are we &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt; to know it's authentic? We don't. 

If the White House came out on the world wide news and announced that we did, indeed, have UFOs and aliens, and the camera panned on the ship and the little buggers, I wouldn't believe it. I'd like to, I would almost, (maybe) but I'd have a nagging feeling that it was staged, a fake. 

Lots of disinfo out there, no one can pick out the true bits. Except the people that were there, or experienced such. And then, since the rest of us are suspicious of everything to some degree, no one believes them anyway.

(jesus, what a dismissal view, lol.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points Nick. I agree with Daniel; that <i>&#8220;Well, we are fools to buy anything from a source that canâ€™t be verified.&#8221;</i> except that I&#8217;d go further; even then, with so-called &#8220;verification&#8221; how are we <i>ever</i> to know it&#8217;s authentic? We don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>If the White House came out on the world wide news and announced that we did, indeed, have UFOs and aliens, and the camera panned on the ship and the little buggers, I wouldn&#8217;t believe it. I&#8217;d like to, I would almost, (maybe) but I&#8217;d have a nagging feeling that it was staged, a fake. </p>
<p>Lots of disinfo out there, no one can pick out the true bits. Except the people that were there, or experienced such. And then, since the rest of us are suspicious of everything to some degree, no one believes them anyway.</p>
<p>(jesus, what a dismissal view, lol.)</p>
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		<title>By: seeinisbeeleevin</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/02/02/ufo-whistleblowers/#comment-999</link>
		<dc:creator>seeinisbeeleevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick

I don't think governments can afford to have its private citizens (ufologist) find the answer to what is probably the greatest mystery mankind has faced, before they have. Confusing researchers as to the true nature of u.f.o.s keeps them one step ahead in the quest for answers. With that in mind, I give no more importance to an informants story than to the story told by a witness of a bigfoot exiting a saucer while wearing a blue belt. This doesn't mean that the information shouldn't be analyzed and that other evidence or witnesses to support the claims not be looked for, just that no matter how good it looks there is still a 99% chance of it being lies. It's that 1% chance of it being the truth that  prevents me from discarding these tales out of hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think governments can afford to have its private citizens (ufologist) find the answer to what is probably the greatest mystery mankind has faced, before they have. Confusing researchers as to the true nature of u.f.o.s keeps them one step ahead in the quest for answers. With that in mind, I give no more importance to an informants story than to the story told by a witness of a bigfoot exiting a saucer while wearing a blue belt. This doesn&#8217;t mean that the information shouldn&#8217;t be analyzed and that other evidence or witnesses to support the claims not be looked for, just that no matter how good it looks there is still a 99% chance of it being lies. It&#8217;s that 1% chance of it being the truth that  prevents me from discarding these tales out of hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Brenton</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/02/02/ufo-whistleblowers/#comment-998</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't agree any more with your points without becoming strident.  The researchers and the audience (the overall UFO community) are being &lt;i&gt;played.&lt;/i&gt;  It's the elephant in the room no one is willing to talk about, because to call it what it is would be to make us all look like fools.

Well, we &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; fools to buy anything from a source that can't be verified.

Remember whet Scotty said in the original &lt;i&gt;Star Trek&lt;/i&gt; ... "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."

Shame on all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree any more with your points without becoming strident.  The researchers and the audience (the overall UFO community) are being <i>played.</i>  It&#8217;s the elephant in the room no one is willing to talk about, because to call it what it is would be to make us all look like fools.</p>
<p>Well, we <i>are</i> fools to buy anything from a source that can&#8217;t be verified.</p>
<p>Remember whet Scotty said in the original <i>Star Trek</i> &#8230; &#8220;Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Shame on all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: DingoDog99</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/02/02/ufo-whistleblowers/#comment-997</link>
		<dc:creator>DingoDog99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent posting and a sober warning. 

There are so many rabbit trails you can go down in this field that I don't think anyone will ever get "to the bottom of it" You might get a pretty good idea, but you won't "figure it out"  

Again I think the government really doesn't have a clue as to what is going on because if they did they wouldn't be using UFOlogists or even bothering to talk to them, because to the intel types a UFOlogist is beneath contempt. Just like some scientists treat paranormal investigators as beneath contempt. 

Jess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent posting and a sober warning. </p>
<p>There are so many rabbit trails you can go down in this field that I don&#8217;t think anyone will ever get &#8220;to the bottom of it&#8221; You might get a pretty good idea, but you won&#8217;t &#8220;figure it out&#8221;  </p>
<p>Again I think the government really doesn&#8217;t have a clue as to what is going on because if they did they wouldn&#8217;t be using UFOlogists or even bothering to talk to them, because to the intel types a UFOlogist is beneath contempt. Just like some scientists treat paranormal investigators as beneath contempt. </p>
<p>Jess</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/02/02/ufo-whistleblowers/#comment-995</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a related problem in that some UFO witnesses appear to be hawking both real experiences as well as flights of their own fancy, and in some cases it isn't always easy to know which parts are which.

I'm thinking in particular of everyone's favorite, Billy Meier.  Some of his photographs seem very convincing, and would be difficult to fake with that degree of quality to them.  Others are clearly fakery, particularly some of his video pieces which are nothing more than models being swung around in circles on strings.

It's tempting to pass Meier off as nothing but a revealed fraud, and many do just that.  He makes claimd about his Pleiadian babe, Semjase, and the wisdom she imparts to him.  Then you do a quick Google on the name Semjase and you find numerous sites that say the photo of her that Meier provided was confirmed to be that of a model from an old Sears catalog.  And you think, "Well, that nails the coffin shut on Billy and his babe."

But try to locate that picture alleged Sears picture.  I haven't been able to and I've searched quite a bit for it.  So then trace the claim that Semjase is a model for Sears and you find that all the sites making that claim refer back to a site called Underground Video.  Go to their site and indeed you find that they allege they researched the matter and discovered the photo in a Sears catalog.  But they give no references to the catalog date; no photos of the catalog.  All they give is an allegation, and all the other sites that parrot what Underground Video says are just regurgitating unsupported hearsay.

That just adds more confustion to the whole subject of the credibility of Billy Meier.  It appears we have serious trust issues, not just with "official insider sources," but with witnesses as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a related problem in that some UFO witnesses appear to be hawking both real experiences as well as flights of their own fancy, and in some cases it isn&#8217;t always easy to know which parts are which.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking in particular of everyone&#8217;s favorite, Billy Meier.  Some of his photographs seem very convincing, and would be difficult to fake with that degree of quality to them.  Others are clearly fakery, particularly some of his video pieces which are nothing more than models being swung around in circles on strings.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s tempting to pass Meier off as nothing but a revealed fraud, and many do just that.  He makes claimd about his Pleiadian babe, Semjase, and the wisdom she imparts to him.  Then you do a quick Google on the name Semjase and you find numerous sites that say the photo of her that Meier provided was confirmed to be that of a model from an old Sears catalog.  And you think, &#8220;Well, that nails the coffin shut on Billy and his babe.&#8221;</p>
<p>But try to locate that picture alleged Sears picture.  I haven&#8217;t been able to and I&#8217;ve searched quite a bit for it.  So then trace the claim that Semjase is a model for Sears and you find that all the sites making that claim refer back to a site called Underground Video.  Go to their site and indeed you find that they allege they researched the matter and discovered the photo in a Sears catalog.  But they give no references to the catalog date; no photos of the catalog.  All they give is an allegation, and all the other sites that parrot what Underground Video says are just regurgitating unsupported hearsay.</p>
<p>That just adds more confustion to the whole subject of the credibility of Billy Meier.  It appears we have serious trust issues, not just with &#8220;official insider sources,&#8221; but with witnesses as well.</p>
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