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		<title>By: alcalde</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/26/human-mutes-and-ufos/#comment-1021</link>
		<dc:creator>alcalde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I'm not sure that investigating something that seems to have as its main source cliched tales from UFO Magazine would be a valuable use of one's time.

"There are many more such accounts - all bubbling quietly below the surface of the UFO rumor-mill.... I am pointing out that this is alleged in some quarters to be a genuine aspect of the bigger UFO puzzle. And if only to lay the matter to rest, someone should launch an in-depth study of the controversy."

If its sole existence is in the UFO rumor mill, you won't be ABLE to lay the matter to rest. :-) The people who believe such things will simply choose to disbelieve the in-depth study or accuse it of being a cover-up and the author(s) as men-in-black operatives. Additionally, the people making up the stories in the first place will simply fabricate more outlandish tales at a faster pace than they can be meticulously investigated and disproven. Anyone ever try to argue with someone on the internet, putting in hours of careful research and factual verification, only to eventually realize the other party's sole source of rebuttal information is stuff they're making up as they go along? :-)

All that said, here's one example of an actual, verifiable human mutilation. The only mystery is whodunnit.

&lt;a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20000902123021/www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2000-07-06/feature.html/printable_page"&gt;Who Mutilated Dominic Marion?&lt;/a&gt;
On the trail of a bizarre hospital crime, New Times finds a cryogenically frozen head, a witch hunt for a wiccan and a stumped detective. And still nobody knows . . .
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;m not sure that investigating something that seems to have as its main source cliched tales from UFO Magazine would be a valuable use of one&#8217;s time.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are many more such accounts - all bubbling quietly below the surface of the UFO rumor-mill&#8230;. I am pointing out that this is alleged in some quarters to be a genuine aspect of the bigger UFO puzzle. And if only to lay the matter to rest, someone should launch an in-depth study of the controversy.&#8221;</p>
<p>If its sole existence is in the UFO rumor mill, you won&#8217;t be ABLE to lay the matter to rest. <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> The people who believe such things will simply choose to disbelieve the in-depth study or accuse it of being a cover-up and the author(s) as men-in-black operatives. Additionally, the people making up the stories in the first place will simply fabricate more outlandish tales at a faster pace than they can be meticulously investigated and disproven. Anyone ever try to argue with someone on the internet, putting in hours of careful research and factual verification, only to eventually realize the other party&#8217;s sole source of rebuttal information is stuff they&#8217;re making up as they go along? <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>All that said, here&#8217;s one example of an actual, verifiable human mutilation. The only mystery is whodunnit.</p>
<p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20000902123021/www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2000-07-06/feature.html/printable_page">Who Mutilated Dominic Marion?</a><br />
On the trail of a bizarre hospital crime, New Times finds a cryogenically frozen head, a witch hunt for a wiccan and a stumped detective. And still nobody knows . . .<br />
By James Hibberd</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/26/human-mutes-and-ufos/#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jess

Very interesting re the NM case you found. If you click on the first link in the human mute blog post, it takes you to the FBI's official files on all this. Despite the fact that it was all dismissed as predators, most of the reports in the FBI's files are from the NM Poilce. There's some very weird reports there in the official NM police files - tripod landing marks, elevated radiation readings, evidence of return visits to the same farms, animals vanished, substances found at the sites that couldn't be identified, etc. They're tricky things those coyotes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jess</p>
<p>Very interesting re the NM case you found. If you click on the first link in the human mute blog post, it takes you to the FBI&#8217;s official files on all this. Despite the fact that it was all dismissed as predators, most of the reports in the FBI&#8217;s files are from the NM Poilce. There&#8217;s some very weird reports there in the official NM police files - tripod landing marks, elevated radiation readings, evidence of return visits to the same farms, animals vanished, substances found at the sites that couldn&#8217;t be identified, etc. They&#8217;re tricky things those coyotes!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/26/human-mutes-and-ufos/#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loren

I didn't hear the C to C show; but certainly there is no definitive evidence of a human mute ever having occurred - only reports, testimony, rumor, etc. That's why, as per the bllog post, I think it needs someone to really dig into all this and try and resolve it either way. At this stage it's one of those "limbo" type issues where a lot of people have heard things, but no-one has really tried to nail it once and for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t hear the C to C show; but certainly there is no definitive evidence of a human mute ever having occurred - only reports, testimony, rumor, etc. That&#8217;s why, as per the bllog post, I think it needs someone to really dig into all this and try and resolve it either way. At this stage it&#8217;s one of those &#8220;limbo&#8221; type issues where a lot of people have heard things, but no-one has really tried to nail it once and for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/26/human-mutes-and-ufos/#comment-916</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan/Seein:

Yep, the show-off angle is a key factor in mutes. I think there's a couple of possibilities - (a) someone is doing it to try and create a mythology of aliens (when in reality it's something else); or (b) it's to generate fear and a sense that "they" are invulnerable and untouchable - which is basically true because no-one ever gets caught doing these things.

So, there may be as much of a psychological motive behind these events as any other reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan/Seein:</p>
<p>Yep, the show-off angle is a key factor in mutes. I think there&#8217;s a couple of possibilities - (a) someone is doing it to try and create a mythology of aliens (when in reality it&#8217;s something else); or (b) it&#8217;s to generate fear and a sense that &#8220;they&#8221; are invulnerable and untouchable - which is basically true because no-one ever gets caught doing these things.</p>
<p>So, there may be as much of a psychological motive behind these events as any other reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/26/human-mutes-and-ufos/#comment-915</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill

The case you are thinking of is that of Zigmund Adamski - today most researchers think it's unconnected to UFOs, but the Adamski synchronicity re the name, plus a police invesigation where one officer later had a weird ufo encounter still makes some wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill</p>
<p>The case you are thinking of is that of Zigmund Adamski - today most researchers think it&#8217;s unconnected to UFOs, but the Adamski synchronicity re the name, plus a police invesigation where one officer later had a weird ufo encounter still makes some wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Hancock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That incident BoyintheMachine mentioned seems to me to have occurred in the UK some years ago, somewhere in an industrialized area (Newcastle??). And I have it in the back of my mind that the corpse was dropped on a pile of coal at some foundry or some such, though my recollections of this are VERY hazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That incident BoyintheMachine mentioned seems to me to have occurred in the UK some years ago, somewhere in an industrialized area (Newcastle??). And I have it in the back of my mind that the corpse was dropped on a pile of coal at some foundry or some such, though my recollections of this are VERY hazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/26/human-mutes-and-ufos/#comment-897</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn't Linda Howe on Coast to Coast AM a mere two nights ago say there are no human mutes?  I thought I heard her say that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Linda Howe on Coast to Coast AM a mere two nights ago say there are no human mutes?  I thought I heard her say that.</p>
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		<title>By: seeinisbeeleevin</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/26/human-mutes-and-ufos/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>seeinisbeeleevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually everything that has been linked to U.f.o.s seems of a show-off nature. When you look at cattle mutilations, crop circles, and the witness accounts of sightings there is nothing secretive about them. Letting us know they're here serves their purpose. What that purpose is, that's the secret.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually everything that has been linked to U.f.o.s seems of a show-off nature. When you look at cattle mutilations, crop circles, and the witness accounts of sightings there is nothing secretive about them. Letting us know they&#8217;re here serves their purpose. What that purpose is, that&#8217;s the secret.</p>
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		<title>By: alanborky</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/26/human-mutes-and-ufos/#comment-893</link>
		<dc:creator>alanborky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, the thing that strikes me with all these cattle reports is the seemingly unnecessary fussiness with which such attacks are conducted: the unusual but highly elaborate and precisely executed laser-like excisions, and the absence of any spilled blood.

Now I know you're big on barbecues, and your fellow, blackly clad, baldy Nosferatu grandad's big on blood, but all that piddly fussiness doesn't somehow smack of the way of the Redferns [wasn't 'RED Fern' also the Venusian family name of the "blood-sucking carrot" in 'The Thing'?  But I digress].

What I'm getting at is there's more than an element of the show-off about the cattle mutilaters, an element of 'We do this, because we can!'

Hell, what am I saying?  It IS you and your grandad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, the thing that strikes me with all these cattle reports is the seemingly unnecessary fussiness with which such attacks are conducted: the unusual but highly elaborate and precisely executed laser-like excisions, and the absence of any spilled blood.</p>
<p>Now I know you&#8217;re big on barbecues, and your fellow, blackly clad, baldy Nosferatu grandad&#8217;s big on blood, but all that piddly fussiness doesn&#8217;t somehow smack of the way of the Redferns [wasn't 'RED Fern' also the Venusian family name of the "blood-sucking carrot" in 'The Thing'?  But I digress].</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m getting at is there&#8217;s more than an element of the show-off about the cattle mutilaters, an element of &#8216;We do this, because we can!&#8217;</p>
<p>Hell, what am I saying?  It IS you and your grandad!</p>
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		<title>By: DingoDog99</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/26/human-mutes-and-ufos/#comment-892</link>
		<dc:creator>DingoDog99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds like an interesting investigation. I have enough medical background I might be useful but I have very little criminal investigative background. Pretty much just how to do a sworn statement for the Army. Thats what this would have to be, if a human is mutilated it is a criminal matter (paranormal or no) 

Now there is the fact that I have mutilation experience. Not conducting the mutilation mind you but when I lived in New Mexico I stumbled on a mutilation while walking my dog. It was a cow, lips and platysma region removed along with genitals. The brand had been obscured by some kind of friction and the corpse was bloodless. My Labrador would not approach it. When team of paranormal investigators came out I thought we were done for because some scavengers had finally come the night before the investigation. But I was vindicated when the cow was 50 rads above ambient radiation on a Geiger counter. Tell me a predator did that... I still have some pictures somewhere, I should put them on my blog.

Jess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds like an interesting investigation. I have enough medical background I might be useful but I have very little criminal investigative background. Pretty much just how to do a sworn statement for the Army. Thats what this would have to be, if a human is mutilated it is a criminal matter (paranormal or no) </p>
<p>Now there is the fact that I have mutilation experience. Not conducting the mutilation mind you but when I lived in New Mexico I stumbled on a mutilation while walking my dog. It was a cow, lips and platysma region removed along with genitals. The brand had been obscured by some kind of friction and the corpse was bloodless. My Labrador would not approach it. When team of paranormal investigators came out I thought we were done for because some scavengers had finally come the night before the investigation. But I was vindicated when the cow was 50 rads above ambient radiation on a Geiger counter. Tell me a predator did that&#8230; I still have some pictures somewhere, I should put them on my blog.</p>
<p>Jess</p>
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