Well, I feel the same way–that you or others express it better, or fill in the missing passages, which I may have missed. So forgive me if I steal from you at a later date–I give you full privileges to steal from me… Maybe we ALL are completing the story together. Or at least moving the dialogue forward as a collective front—without really thinking about it as such. Unified anarchy.

This whole thread on drugs and UFO’s is probably the most interesting area that I’m writing/researching on these days. If you listen to my webradio show, I’ve intentionally made a point about asking my guests about their UFO experiences, and also any drug related UFO experiences, and I’m amazed at where these discussions have led. To ignore what’s going on here is to turn a blind eye at an emerging…something.

It all comes back, I think, to something that is unique to the human experience–or maybe not–animals are aware of a whole lot that we aren’t. But I digress…I don’t think of the UFO experience as ALIEN. (There I go with caps, again.) Drugs–or whatever gets you through the night–opens those channels that have been there since the beginning. It is what makes us humans–this contact with the other. That which seems so beyond us is all around us every waking moment. Sounds like I just wrote a poem. We just forget about IT—or never know IT. IT “is” US.

Drugs are effective, as they break down the barriers which we ourselves have constructed. Every waking moment we should be trying to remove these barriers. Unfortunately, and with each waking moment, as we grow older, we subconsciously construct more barriers around us. So it’s a constant battle—to see beyond our societal conditioning—and to find a way to break down those barriers, and to continue to grow as a species. This is what Leary and Wilson were talking about.

Also, this is post number 23. So maybe it should stop here.

Funny, that’s how I sometimes feel about your writing, as well as Nick’s (and Mac Tonnies, and Paul Kimball)–ideas I may have had, but are expressed much better and more expansively.

I could talk for days on this, but for the most part you all stole my thunder with your previous posts.

Glad you are enjoying the blog.

What I was trying to say in the post was that there may be many roads to experiencing the “other.” We perhaps make unreasonable distinctions between psychedelic-induced experiences and “normal” state of mind experiences of the anomalous.

What I was trying to stress is that the universe et al is meaningless until it hits our senses. Yes, I’m fairly certain that there is something outside of our minds, but it all comes through the filter of consciousness.

Perhaps the ufonauts don’t worry about time. Perhaps they come from “everytime.”

I appreciate both of your responses. Like you, I worship phenomenology and my favorite thinker ever is Edmund Husserl. So, let’s speculate.

Actually — all space is ‘past’ to ‘every space point’. It takes ‘time’ for the light to bounce off the monitor to get to my retina to be processed etc. But, it’s more than that — those spaces (such as the monitor or the room I am looking into) already have their REAL space OCCURING - already have a REAL future to reach our eyes (we will see that space when the light gets ‘here’).
So, yes, like Jethro Tull said — we are ALL ‘living in the past’ — that is except for our OWN ’space-point’ — which IS IN THE OCCURING REAL NOW — for us. The Only Real Now for us; we actually with our perception are ‘folding’ the other spaces ‘past’ into being our ‘perceived present - which has ONLY past objects.
Let’s take this perception thing further since it’s fun to speculate - since EVERY OBJECT WE SEE — and I mean it - every object — since every object we see HAS ALREADY OCCURRED — our ’space-flow’ IS DETERMINED. So much for freewill ‘within the past’ - fortunately, we probably have freewill in the only space that matters - ours. And, all the above while ‘moving’ over 500 miles a second (about .0024% the speed of light) within a timecone of space. We are ON A PLANET and IN A SYSTEM — we are more than our minds and there is more to the universe than ‘mind’ at least to me.
Finally, I want to point out what the ‘now’ of everything ‘looks like to our unaided eyes’ that is beyond the Moon. (remember, the moon that we see/perceive ‘happened’ about 1.3 seconds ago in the ‘past’ - the sun ‘happened’ about 8 minutes ago). Everything ‘beyond’ the moon comes into our unaided retina as nothing more than a point of light (except for our sun). Entire star systems that existed billions of years ago (and all other star systems) come into our abilitiy to process information about them as a point of light. The ’spaces’ and things that we can have any real influence on must occur within our ‘light-moment’ of near spaces. Our common consensus - where our consciousness exists.

And, all this leads back to my comment about entities - since ALL entitites would be part of ‘past things that have occured’ (to our perception) YET at the same time ‘have their own now - in our future’ could IMHO ‘come’ from that ‘future’ into ‘our present’ IT’S ACTUALLY HOW WE CO-EXIST on a given ‘plane’ — a ‘go into the past’ if you will — with their ‘current-now’.

Finally, I understand that the human mind is presented with about 100 images with a given second of space-time — and that we only ‘register’ about 5-10 of those ‘perception frames’ a second — who knows what we are ‘leaving out’. Thanks for reading my mind-perceptions.

It’s not surprising that McKenna had a dim view of ufology. He most likely harbored the idea that those saucer nuts were standing around discussing what it might be, while he was out there in the trenches meeting with the damned aliens.

I have a problem with the western, Christian “God” idea. It seems to be an anthropomorphized image of an ineffable concept–an attempt to personify an organizing force inherent in the universe.

Strangely, this recalls a remark made on the UFO Coverup Live! special of 1989. One of the AFOSI people who was interviewed in silhouette, with his voice scrambled, said that the aliens worship the universe itself as their deity.

Interesting, to say the least!