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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/17/nesara-is-coming/#comment-701</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jess

Yep, I saw the Air Force colonel story - an interesting one. And Joseph Smith is a story all of his own - which has classic UFO/contactee overtones to it. 

All that has changed over the years is the guise in which these "things" appear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jess</p>
<p>Yep, I saw the Air Force colonel story - an interesting one. And Joseph Smith is a story all of his own - which has classic UFO/contactee overtones to it. </p>
<p>All that has changed over the years is the guise in which these &#8220;things&#8221; appear.</p>
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		<title>By: DingoDog99</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/17/nesara-is-coming/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>DingoDog99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

I think you should do that for a variety of reasons. Two stand out. The first is that these things have always had a religious overtone and the second would be that in certain religions the UFO connection is actually the mechanics behind the religion. Vallee established that well with the reports on the Blessed Virgin Mary sightings throughout history (which Keel has also remarked on) and Walter Martin in his book Kingdom of the Cults depicts a very good history of Joseph Smith (founder of mormonism) that would lead you to believe that he is a UFO contactee. Even people of the more scientific ilk view the phenomenon in some religious fashion, like air force Colonels. For instance have you seen &lt;a href="http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53820"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;?

That could be a thread on it's own.

The more I think about the UFO problem the more I think that it is the sociological and religious implications that are the most fascinating. Flying scrolls in Ezekiel, flaming chariots appearing to Zoraster and rabbit deities descending in eggs in front of throngs of Babylonians can keep you busy in this study for a lifetime.

Jess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>I think you should do that for a variety of reasons. Two stand out. The first is that these things have always had a religious overtone and the second would be that in certain religions the UFO connection is actually the mechanics behind the religion. Vallee established that well with the reports on the Blessed Virgin Mary sightings throughout history (which Keel has also remarked on) and Walter Martin in his book Kingdom of the Cults depicts a very good history of Joseph Smith (founder of mormonism) that would lead you to believe that he is a UFO contactee. Even people of the more scientific ilk view the phenomenon in some religious fashion, like air force Colonels. For instance have you seen <a href="http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53820">this</a>?</p>
<p>That could be a thread on it&#8217;s own.</p>
<p>The more I think about the UFO problem the more I think that it is the sociological and religious implications that are the most fascinating. Flying scrolls in Ezekiel, flaming chariots appearing to Zoraster and rabbit deities descending in eggs in front of throngs of Babylonians can keep you busy in this study for a lifetime.</p>
<p>Jess</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/17/nesara-is-coming/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill/Dingo:

Thanks for the comments and welcome insight. I'm going to expand on this story hopefully next week, given that this blending of UFOs and religion stimulates so much comment and controversy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill/Dingo:</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments and welcome insight. I&#8217;m going to expand on this story hopefully next week, given that this blending of UFOs and religion stimulates so much comment and controversy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Hancock</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/17/nesara-is-coming/#comment-684</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From "Heaven's Gate" to Raelians and Nesara to the skewed nuttiness of Louis Farrakhan...oh, and let's not forget the savior ET dolphins...the world seems populated with total cuckoos. There are "Doomsdays" that never crack, and "things to do that don't get done (by the "heavenlies") and on and on. Never ends. I recall one world-ender a couple of decades back where this group sold off everything they had and were going to march eastward to the Atlantic Coast and would then WALK ACROSS the ocean to the Holy Land to meet Jesus on His return to earth. Needless to say, when they hit the beach the ocean didn't hold them up....and they were SO surprised!

One of the more interesting things that has come warping its way out of the post-WWII "UFO subculture" has been this growing tendency try merging saucers and religion. When you start with book titles like "Chariots of the Gods" and "God Drives A Flying Saucer" and begin to push the idea that "God" or "the gods" were misperceived alien revelators and "good samaritans", then the possibilities for such mergings became rife. Next stir "Bible Code"
theories into the mix and you can go far.

In "The Old Days" of dogmatic Christendom, you had a by-the-numbers belief system (which in Islam you pretty much still do, but the nuttiness hits there, too) and this kept things largely "uniform"...and, hey, if you had dissenters you just tried them as heretics and burnt them.

Today, though, you have all manner of interpretations of "fact" out there re: what this or that does or doesn't mean, that you can blend up some fascinating "theological" concoctions.

Its rather like Bruce Lee's "Jeet Kune Do" fighting system, where he took elements of Wing Chun kung fu, western boxing, foot moves from fencing, some jiu jitsu, some this, some that..and synthesized them into a concept system (which successors have taken even further by adding elementsa of Philippino Escrima and Kali). The similarly ongoing synthesizing of ETH beliefs with "Old Time" religion keeps the pot stirring there, as well. There's a new "notion" out every time you turn around, and a new group that just "KNOWS" it has just discovered the REAL "truth" about all things.

And,in every case of such, you find yourself, as a practical, reasonable, logical person, souring up incredulously, scratching your head, and asking "WHAT have you people been SMOKING?????"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From &#8220;Heaven&#8217;s Gate&#8221; to Raelians and Nesara to the skewed nuttiness of Louis Farrakhan&#8230;oh, and let&#8217;s not forget the savior ET dolphins&#8230;the world seems populated with total cuckoos. There are &#8220;Doomsdays&#8221; that never crack, and &#8220;things to do that don&#8217;t get done (by the &#8220;heavenlies&#8221;) and on and on. Never ends. I recall one world-ender a couple of decades back where this group sold off everything they had and were going to march eastward to the Atlantic Coast and would then WALK ACROSS the ocean to the Holy Land to meet Jesus on His return to earth. Needless to say, when they hit the beach the ocean didn&#8217;t hold them up&#8230;.and they were SO surprised!</p>
<p>One of the more interesting things that has come warping its way out of the post-WWII &#8220;UFO subculture&#8221; has been this growing tendency try merging saucers and religion. When you start with book titles like &#8220;Chariots of the Gods&#8221; and &#8220;God Drives A Flying Saucer&#8221; and begin to push the idea that &#8220;God&#8221; or &#8220;the gods&#8221; were misperceived alien revelators and &#8220;good samaritans&#8221;, then the possibilities for such mergings became rife. Next stir &#8220;Bible Code&#8221;<br />
theories into the mix and you can go far.</p>
<p>In &#8220;The Old Days&#8221; of dogmatic Christendom, you had a by-the-numbers belief system (which in Islam you pretty much still do, but the nuttiness hits there, too) and this kept things largely &#8220;uniform&#8221;&#8230;and, hey, if you had dissenters you just tried them as heretics and burnt them.</p>
<p>Today, though, you have all manner of interpretations of &#8220;fact&#8221; out there re: what this or that does or doesn&#8217;t mean, that you can blend up some fascinating &#8220;theological&#8221; concoctions.</p>
<p>Its rather like Bruce Lee&#8217;s &#8220;Jeet Kune Do&#8221; fighting system, where he took elements of Wing Chun kung fu, western boxing, foot moves from fencing, some jiu jitsu, some this, some that..and synthesized them into a concept system (which successors have taken even further by adding elementsa of Philippino Escrima and Kali). The similarly ongoing synthesizing of ETH beliefs with &#8220;Old Time&#8221; religion keeps the pot stirring there, as well. There&#8217;s a new &#8220;notion&#8221; out every time you turn around, and a new group that just &#8220;KNOWS&#8221; it has just discovered the REAL &#8220;truth&#8221; about all things.</p>
<p>And,in every case of such, you find yourself, as a practical, reasonable, logical person, souring up incredulously, scratching your head, and asking &#8220;WHAT have you people been SMOKING?????&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DingoDog99</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/17/nesara-is-coming/#comment-682</link>
		<dc:creator>DingoDog99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's funny, but it just keeps getting weirder. Fried chicken eating, pro-Clinton Mormon's welcoming the coming of a UFO Jesus. Sounds like a Phillip Dick novel. &lt;em&gt;Dick explores the impossible in this critically acclaimed novel; is Jesus a simulacra or the son of God?&lt;/em&gt;

But then you can't deny pattern recognition can you? The Urantia book, the Raelian's beliefs, countless contactees who all have something to say about Jesus. It even spills into the Nation of Islam with Louis Farrakhan saying that

1. the UFOs will take all the white people away and

2. that Jesus will rebuke every practicing christian and be a front man for establishing world wide Islam, after he descends in a UFO!

So what will we do when a Jesus lookalike does descend in a UFO and proclaim a new age, new Islam Earth? $&#038;%@ or go blind?

I probably will take up my lot with the dolphins, you'll find me in Cabo begging for fish! ;-)

Jess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny, but it just keeps getting weirder. Fried chicken eating, pro-Clinton Mormon&#8217;s welcoming the coming of a UFO Jesus. Sounds like a Phillip Dick novel. <em>Dick explores the impossible in this critically acclaimed novel; is Jesus a simulacra or the son of God?</em></p>
<p>But then you can&#8217;t deny pattern recognition can you? The Urantia book, the Raelian&#8217;s beliefs, countless contactees who all have something to say about Jesus. It even spills into the Nation of Islam with Louis Farrakhan saying that</p>
<p>1. the UFOs will take all the white people away and</p>
<p>2. that Jesus will rebuke every practicing christian and be a front man for establishing world wide Islam, after he descends in a UFO!</p>
<p>So what will we do when a Jesus lookalike does descend in a UFO and proclaim a new age, new Islam Earth? $&#038;%@ or go blind?</p>
<p>I probably will take up my lot with the dolphins, you&#8217;ll find me in Cabo begging for fish! <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Jess</p>
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		<title>By: ajgulyas.com :: links for 2007-01-18</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/17/nesara-is-coming/#comment-680</link>
		<dc:creator>ajgulyas.com :: links for 2007-01-18</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/17/nesara-is-coming/#comment-675</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raven

LOL; good one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raven</p>
<p>LOL; good one!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/01/17/nesara-is-coming/#comment-674</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian

I agree - so many people in ufology want the ETs to be friends, our saviours, etc. But it just doesn't seem to be happening.

My view is that people need to stand up on their own feet, take charge of their own lives in a fashion that works for them, and not hope that some more advanced being is going to make it all nice for them. People need to take their own responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian</p>
<p>I agree - so many people in ufology want the ETs to be friends, our saviours, etc. But it just doesn&#8217;t seem to be happening.</p>
<p>My view is that people need to stand up on their own feet, take charge of their own lives in a fashion that works for them, and not hope that some more advanced being is going to make it all nice for them. People need to take their own responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  As a Mormon/LDS in still in the church, I can assure everyone that the claims made in this video are incorrect.

They left out the part where SLC Utah becomes the center of the universe, and the friendly, dolphin aliens all come down and have a swim in the Great Salt Lake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  As a Mormon/LDS in still in the church, I can assure everyone that the claims made in this video are incorrect.</p>
<p>They left out the part where SLC Utah becomes the center of the universe, and the friendly, dolphin aliens all come down and have a swim in the Great Salt Lake.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Gaugler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Gaugler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's the same as when people criticized you for not calling the ET's our "Space Brothers", people want to believe so badly that the facts and logic be damned.  People want to believe in benevolent ET's AND the truth of their religion so badly that it doesn't matter to these people what the truth really is, they just want something that gives them peace of mind.  

You're not alone either in thinking America is a little wacky with religion, I was born in this country and the amount of people obsessed with religion in this country truly frightens me at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the same as when people criticized you for not calling the ET&#8217;s our &#8220;Space Brothers&#8221;, people want to believe so badly that the facts and logic be damned.  People want to believe in benevolent ET&#8217;s AND the truth of their religion so badly that it doesn&#8217;t matter to these people what the truth really is, they just want something that gives them peace of mind.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re not alone either in thinking America is a little wacky with religion, I was born in this country and the amount of people obsessed with religion in this country truly frightens me at times.</p>
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